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[diabetes_int] Re:was meter variability ?? about my new meter

2005-11-08T16:49:00.000-08:00

I'm glad you posted this I have a question about a new meter I just got. I switched my supply company and they sent me a Ascencia Contour. I do believe it is nuts. A couple of days ago I started using it instead of the old meter. At first I seemed to be getting readings that were about the same as those with the old meter (OneTouch Ultra).

Then the next day after starting to use the new meter I tested 2 hours after my noon meal and got a reading of 322. I haven't gotten readings like that since starting insulin so I got out my old meter and did a test and it was about 145. Next I retested with the Ascencia and it was 175 still 20 points more. The 145 is is a pretty normal reading for me and is consistant with test I have had at the docs off right after having eating pretty much the same type of meal/food.

Then yesterday I had a reading of 272 with the new meter which is not a number I should see so I checked with the old meter and it read 145. I suspect something is wrong with this new meter.

Does anyone have an idea. Can some of the test strips in the vial be bad and others okay or the meter is whacko and I need to call and ask for a new one.

With the old meter I got consistant numbers for months and pretty much knew before I did the test what the reading would be based on what I had just eaten. But the new meter seems to give me some whacko readings.

Brenda K
I don't suffer from insanity,
I enjoy every minute of it!
----- Original Message -----
From: Helen Mueller
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [diabetes_int] meter variability

Stacey, I have had the same experience. A 44 point variance might be
both the meter variance and a not up to par strip. The manufacturers
might think their meters are good enough, but when you use insulin and
strive for tight control, that isn't so.

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Re: [diabetes_int] Degenerate cartilege-Helen's letter

2005-11-05T14:22:00.000-08:00

The doctor could see it both with x-rays and MRIs as well as when he went
in to clean it out. After many minisectomies, he had a high tibial
osteotomy last year and the operation failed. The physical result was
perfect; however the pain got worse. In 2001, after one of the
minisectomies, the surgeon told me Joe had 85 year old knees.

Because he was just over 50, no ortho wanted to do knee replacement
surgery. Additionally, Joe was afraid of losing flexibility and being
unable to work. Well, 2003, it was so bad, he had to apply for
disability. Plus, he is taking a lot of oxycontin and this is really not
good. Finally our ortho found a specialist for him. Just google Dr.
Robert Cash, he has made the internet.

So, August 4, he had the right knee replaced and next Thursday will have
the left one done. Full recovery is supposed to take a year. However,
he can squat almost all the way down to sitting on his heels now. The
pain is less than before the surgery.

Helen

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Re: [diabetes_int] Newbie Questions

2005-11-05T13:39:00.001-08:00

Why was the cartilage not good that Joe made with the pills?
ml

Helen Mueller wrote:

> ml, and whoever else is taking glucosamine, you need to take 500mg for
> every 50 pounds of body weight. When Joe was taking it, he weighed 140
> pounds and took 1500mg a day. At first it helped, but we found out the
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Re: [diabetes_int] Metformin & Alcohol-Linda(Mass): was- Newbie Questions

2005-11-05T13:39:00.000-08:00

>That warning on the Metformin is based on the fact that both Metformin & Alcohol suppress the liver's ability to dump glucose into the blood..........

I wish metformin and alcohol would suppress my liver from dumping glucose. Whenever I drink alcohol, there is no change in my BS but YMMV.

Kat

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Re: [diabetes_int] Newbie Questions

2005-11-05T13:38:00.001-08:00

Right now I am taking 4 a day of: Glucosamine HCI (4 @ 1,500 mg ea.); Chondroitin
Sulfate (4 @ 1,200 mg ea.); and Methyisulfonylmethane (MSM) (4 @ 1,000 ea.). I have some
left over from before that doesn't have the MSM and am not sure of the strength. ml

Helen Mueller wrote:
> ml, and whoever else is taking glucosamine, you need to take 500mg for
> every 50 pounds of body weight. When Joe was taking it, he weighed 140
> pounds and took 1500mg a day. At first it helped, but we found out the
> new cartilage was not "good", the ortho called it degenerate.
>
> However, as usual, YMMV.
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Re: [diabetes_int] Lancet Reuse: was-cost of test strips

2005-11-05T12:37:00.001-08:00

Well, obviously they have a vested interest in getting diabetics to not
re-use lancets.

I reuse mine until they start hurting. Months and months. Never any
infections or "breaking off," problems, either.
Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: <rogerhlmn@aol.com>
To: <diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: [diabetes_int] Lancet Reuse: was-cost of test strips

This site seems to have pretty good information, but I take exception to
their flat-out statement below about not reusing lancets. I suspect this
is a
concern of the legal dept's of the tester companies. After all, if they
said
reuse lancets & one person had a reaction they could be sued. In 7 1/2
years
I've only heard of one instance of suspected problems from reusing
lancets &
that was 4th hand before I heard it, so not much credibility.

One part of this statement is "somewhat true". After 3-6 months of using
the
same lancet (5x/day) there is slight pain & that's how I know to change
it!
IMHO, suggesting that there will be increased pain after a single use is
patently baloney & irresponsible.
"Don’t reuse lancets; this will lead to calluses, infections and
increased
pain"
From:
_http://www.themedsupplyguide.com/diabetic-test-strips/_
(http://www.themedsupplyguide.com/diabetic-test-strips/)

Roger, T2, dx'ed 4/98, controlling up to now with LC & Supplements
Average Fasting bg 105mg/dl, Last HbA1c 6.0% (10/20/05)
Talked my Dr into prescribing Metformin & Glyburide to get HbA1c nearer
5.0%
No Medical Qualifications-Only Experience Living With & Controling my
DM

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> I found an interesting blurb on that on this website:
http://www.themedsupplyguide.com/diabetic-test-strips/
There are some useful links on that site, too, including one to
Mendosa's
site and one on comparing prices of strips.
sky

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[diabetes_int] Re: My Lipid regimen :)

2005-11-04T14:48:00.000-08:00

--- In diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com, "Linda D" <grammyDx2@n...> wrote:
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> Let me begin by saying this may be a huge YMMV issue. I'll attempt
to answer the various questions that came from my original statements...
>
> Red Yeast Rice - by Nature's Plus. 600mg, "prescription quality".

Hi Linda

Thanks for an excellent report on Red Yeast Rice (RYR). It caught my
interest because I have experimented, unsuccessfully, with other
non-statin ways to reduce my LDL and I always had to return to
lipitor20mg. However, I was ignorant of RYR and I will probably try it
now.

Therefore, I did a little further searching on Highwire and Scholar
after reading your report and found that there are a surprising number
of medical research studies on it. Lots more to read, so little time:-)

Those interested may find this letter worth reading in full. It is a
commentary on a paper presented to AJCN in 2000, and gives a good
overview of the subject with some further references. It also comments
on CoQ10:
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 71, No. 1, 152, January 2000
Letters to the Editor
More on the Chinese red-yeast-rice supplement and its
cholesterol-lowering effect
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/71/1/152

Linda, you noted that your source is "prescription quality". I hope
that you are right, because one of the biggest problems with
unregulated supplements is consistency and quality. This report
explains why:

An Analysis of Nine Proprietary Chinese Red Yeast Rice Dietary
Supplements: Implications of Variability in Chemical Profile and Contents
http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089%2F107555301750164181?cookieSet=1
Design: Monacolins were measured by high performance liquid
chromatography (HPLC) that separates the various monacolins in Chinese
red yeast rice. Citrinin concentration, a toxic fermentation
byproduct, was measured by radioimmunoassay.

Results: Total monacolin content varied from 0% to 0.58% w/w and only
1 of 9 preparations had the full complement of 10 monacolin compounds.
Citrinin was found at measurable concentrations in 7 of the 9
preparations.

Conclusions: The findings from clinical trials demonstrating
significant and clinically relevant cholesterol reduction using a
defined Chinese red yeast rice preparation containing 10 different
monacolins cannot be generalized to preparations that do not contain
the same levels and profile of monacolins.

Finally, one of the possible side-effects of statins that cause people
to look at alternatives is rhabdomyolysis. Unfortunately, going to RYR
may not avoid that. This is only a single report, but it may bear
further investigation: http://tinyurl.com/7fode or

Rhabdomyolysis is a known complication of hepatic 3-methylglutaryl
coenzyme A reductase (HMG-CoA) inhibitor (statin) therapy for
posttransplant hyperlipidemia, and thus monitoring for this effect is
indicated. We report a case of an herbal preparation-induced
rhabdomyolysis in a stable renal-transplant recipient, attributed to
the presence of red yeast rice (Monascus purpureus) within the
mixture. The condition resolved when consumption of the product
ceased. Rice fermented with red yeast contains several types of
mevinic acids, including monacolin K, which is identical to
lovastatin. We postulate that the interaction of cyclosporine and
these compounds through the cytochrome P450 system resulted in the
adverse effect seen in this patient. Transplant recipients must be
cautioned against using herbal preparations to lower their lipid
levels to prevent such complications from occurring.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia

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Re: [diabetes_int] My Lipid regimen :)

2005-11-04T11:12:00.000-08:00

At 01:08 PM 11/4/05, ml wrote:

>Thanks a lot Linda for the good info. What is RYR? I ordered some Red
>Yeast Rice
>yesterday from Swansons.

I'd guess that RYR is Red Yeast Rice.

sky

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[diabetes_int]robfearnley@blueyonder.co.uk

2005-11-04T10:43:00.000-08:00

Here's an article I thought you may be interested in - it's titled "Exercise helps find genetic regions linked to prediabetes"

You can find it at the following URL:
http://www.news-medical.net/http://www.news-medical.net/?id=11393

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: FRAUD? FROM YAHOO

2005-11-04T10:34:00.000-08:00

If I won the money I would be glad to give you a finders fee, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!1
ml

Andrew Rotramel wrote:

> I will be happy to take care of this for you, for a small finders fee.
> Say 20%? VBG
> Andrew
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>>I received this email. Does anyone have an exact addy for yohoo
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> fraud posts?
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>>Thanks,
>>ml
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[diabetes_int] Re: Very upset

2005-11-02T14:10:00.000-08:00

Rob, you should print out those messages in case your computer is
subject to a virus.
Andrew

--- In diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Fearnley" <RobFearnley@b...>
wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> Remember I was excluded from a site about work bullying well I just
received an e-mail from one of the moderators telling me to stop
harassing members of the site or he would report me to the police.
>
> I haven't been anywhere near the site and the only member of that
site I have been in contact with has initiated all contact with me, I
don't keep her e-mail address in my address book as I think it better
that way, and I definitely don't remember it.
>
> Luckily I kept her e-mails to me in a folder called Reconsider on my
computer so that I can produce these if need and I have my replies to
her also.
>
> I am sure this person is trying to drive me to suicide with all
these threats.
>
> Feeling very upset over the whole thing and don't know what I can
do.
>
> Rob
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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Rosedale Diet book, Avandia, fat cells

2005-11-02T13:59:00.000-08:00

Metformin is the only one that I know of that doesn't cause weight
gain. In fact, most people may lose a few pounds when at first. Sue

On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Kathy wrote:
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> My doctor told me almost all of the diabetes drugs cause weight gain.
> <the ones that work> I think I got diabetes from gaining some weight
> and then the treatment makes it worse.

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: For Newbies - Having Fun With Diabetes

2005-10-27T19:01:00.000-07:00

I see your point, Alan, and I'll read that again with your ideas in
mind. What I'm trying to convey to people is that carbs are present in
ANY product grown from earth and water. An awful lot of people we hear
from don't seem to know that. I also strongly recommend the use of a
carb counter so folks can look up their favorites for themselves and
decide whether to retain those foods in their meals. And yes, sorry,
coffee has carbs. If you drink as much as I do, and try to do an Atkins
induction you have to count them.

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Re: [diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-27T18:45:00.000-07:00

My latest media beef is the Great Noreaster.

They can't get anything right. They aren't in the business of factual
reporting.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
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> At 10:58 PM 10/26/05, Barb Mandel wrote:
> >I was distressed by a piece on the ABC evening news tonight. I know that
> >it is not unusual to be categorized, but they came right out and said,
> >not intimated or skirted around, flat outright said that Type II
> >diabetes is caused by poor diet, lack of exercise and obesity.

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Re: [diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-27T16:11:00.000-07:00

Barb Mandel wrote:
- we have a small voice - wish it was a huge voice,
> as you said.

Crying in the wilderness is easier, however, when we know that we've got
some support - like this list, and a few books out there. We can't
change the establishment way of dealing with this disease overnight, and
most likely can't convince very many doctors to change their ways. All
we can do is try to capture (with kindness) as many newbies as we can on
a daily basis and attempt to get them to try, just try, a different
way... just for a little while, just to see if it will help them to
handle their bg numbers better. Trying to change the whole world all at
once is a very stressful ambition - it raises OUR numbers. Therefore,
to me at least, it isn't worth it.

CarolR

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[diabetes_int] Re: Swiss Miss cocoa mix

2005-10-27T15:27:00.000-07:00

--- In diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com, Jo <letoile@a...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for figuring that out, Alan. I am puzzled because the Swiss
> Miss, claims this on the package:
>
> With Calcium & Splenda
>
> *Nutritional Information
> *Serving size: 1 envelope (16g, makes 8 fl. oz)
>
> Calories 50 calories
> Calories From Fat 5 calories
> Total Fat 1 g 2 %
> Saturated Fat 0 g 0 %
> Sodium 190 g 8 %
> Carbohydrates 10 g 3 %
> Dietary Fiber 1 g 4 %
> Sugars 7 g
> Protein 2 g
> Calcium 30 %
> Iron 4 %
>

Hi Jo

have another look at that. The sachet is 16g. If you add up the gms
for fat, carbs, etc they come to 14.19. Those percentages are probably
RDA, not percentage of the sachet.

So, in your 8 fl oz (that's only an average-to-small glass) you have
8gms of carb, mainly sugar. Whether you call that low or high depends
on your point of reference, but it's too high for me as a drink.

I presume "Swiss Miss" was the cocoa, if so it is a higher carb load
than I was using; the powdered milk also adds to that in that recipe.

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[diabetes_int] Need for frequent testing ... proof needed

2005-10-26T23:07:00.000-07:00

Hi Sky and others,

I understand the frustration. Just last week I had a checkup with my
primary care physician and I said I needed more testing supplies. She said
that I had good control (A1C dropped from 6.0 to 5.9). When asked how often
I tested I said 5-6 times a day. She said I tested too much.

I asked on a group (I think not this group) for some references to show the
doctor, some authorities to quote about the need for frequent testing. I
didn't get anything, so I went without the evidence I wanted.

So, if my contol is good (based on my A1C) do I need to worry about it?
I've read on many occasions that it is bad to have extreme peaks in BG
readings, but that doesn't bother my doctor. Is she right? Obviously, I
can't print out quotes from Yahoo groups to show my doctor that I need
tighter control to avoid peaks. She would laugh at me, and rightfully so.

My challenge is for anyone to give me some solid references I can print out
and show my doctor. Do any authorities warn about the dangers of having
peak readings? My doctor is convinced that reasonable A1C readings tell the
whole story, and maybe she's right. It seems obvious to me that having
large BG readings at any time is bad, but I am not medically trained and may
just be mistaken.

If it is bad to have spikes in BG readings, then some medical authorities
surely say this. If not, perhaps it is just an urban legion promoted in the
Groups. I would like to say this and the other groups are great. I've
learned a lot, and I believe it when people warn me I need to test
frequently to avoid spikes. But I would like some tangible evidence to
clinch it and to prove to my doctor that I'm not just being paranoid with my
frequent testing.

Can anyone here help? Does the ADA web site or any other recognized
authority confirm that we should be testing frequently to avoid spikes in
our BG readings? I think this would prove useful to all of us trying to
convince our doctors to write prescriptions for adequate testing supplies
... if it is indeed true.

-- Franklin
J. Franklin Campbell
Mason, Michigan (USA)
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> >
> >
> > Just spoke to my doctor about the need for more than 4
> tests per day.
> >
> > %$#(*&^#@!)(*&^*$%#)*&*&$%@!!! #(%&$^#(@!!))(&^&%$#)!!!!
> )^&%$$#&@^$(%& $(* &!!!
> >
> > da***ed miserable stupid skanky fornicating egotistical know-it-all
> > %$*%&$#!!!

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[diabetes_int] Rosedale Diet book, Avandia, fat cells

2005-10-26T22:26:00.000-07:00

I just finished reading the Rosedale Diet, and was disturbed by a
comment made about Avandia. The author claimed that Avandia cleared
blood sugar not by increasing insulin sensitivity, as was claimed, but
by stuffing it into new fat cells. If this is true, it would be well
nigh impossible to lose weight on Avandia, and inevitable to gain weight.

Googling led me to some medical abstracts that talked about Avandia and
differentiated adipocytes. Do adipocytes (fat cells) exist in a
potential (undifferentiated) form and then get differentiated into
active fat cells?

Avandia helps me keep my HbA1c in the 5.0-5.5 range, but I've also grown
even fatter since starting it a couple years ago.

Can anybody shed some light on this for me? It would be much appreciated.

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Re: [diabetes_int] Strips Rationing

2005-10-26T22:09:00.000-07:00

Great letter, Alan!

I wonder which are the comparable U.S. groups and how we might find them.

Dianne

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Re: [diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-26T22:03:00.000-07:00

Vicki, I heard that also and couldn't believe it.
ml

Barb Mandel wrote:

> Nothing Vicky - the thing made me so angry - like we are all lazy junk
> food eaters and made our own bed so should now lie in it. I have written
> to the program and wonder if I will get any type of reply. I sat here
> and smoldered as they were talking and needed to vent.
>
> Barb
>
> whimsy2 wrote:
>
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>>You mean they didn't say even one thing about the importance of
>>heredity?
>>Vicki
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Re: [diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-26T21:55:00.000-07:00

Hi Barb,

You might consider logging onto ABC's web page and letting them know that their
"flat-out" condemnation of diabetics is a crock.

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Re: [diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-26T21:51:00.000-07:00

You mean they didn't say even one thing about the importance of
heredity?
Vicki

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>I was distressed by a piece on the ABC evening news tonight. I know
>that
> it is not unusual to be categorized, but they came right out and said,
> not intimated or skirted around, flat outright said that Type II
> diabetes is caused by poor diet, lack of exercise and obesity. They
> were
> saying that diabetes had increased several million since 2003 and then
> went on to state that if you have diabetes it is basically your own
> fault. Placing such a stigma on people who have a chronic condition,
> to
> me, is a bit like overkill. I guess you cannot change City Hall and
> how
> people think about diabetics, but I certainly do not expect to hear
> something like that on the news.
>
> Down off soap box.
>
> Barb

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Convincing the doctor

2005-10-26T21:48:00.000-07:00

Hey Sky,

If you are talking mostly to the nurse practitioner and she is ok
with what you want, why can't she sign the scripts? Mine can. They
are allowed to do that in my state (maryland). Why does the MD have
to ok everything (sounds pretty inefficient or maybe too
controlling?)? My NP can do anything the MD does with a very few
exceptions like signing the state MVA form for handicap plates.
Which is silly. But, then we are talking about the motor vehicle
administration. :?

Laura

On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Sky wrote:

> At 11:38 AM 10/26/05, DEKEP@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> >Okay, Sky, so this is not a good time to give you a lot of numbers
> <grin> but
> >. . .
> >
> >If the doctor said for you to use insulin, then testing three
> times for each
> >meal and eating three meals a day requires 9 tests a day.
> >
> >In a month that requires 9 x 31, namely, 279 strips. Allowing for
> unusual
> >events, 300 strips/month seems reasonable.
> >
> >Would it help to indicate that you hope to cut back on your
> testing later, as
> >soon as you've learned how to prevent dangerous hypoglycemic events?
>
> I'll mention that. But just think, even without insulin we're
> *supposed* to
> be testing morning and night and before and after each meal. That's 8
> strips right there. Granted that if we eat pretty much the same
> thing for a
> meal every day we could skip that testing, but still there are
> always the
> times we want to test a particular new food or we get too small of
> a drop
> of blood for the strip and the blasted meter gives us an "error" (I
> hate it
> when that happens so I always squeeze out more blood than the meter is
> supposed to be able to read).
>
> >If the doctor hasn't yet advised you to use insulin you should
> tell him why
> >it's important for you. And use whatever reasons will help sell
> the idea.
>
> I've got the prescription for Humalog. This doctor isn't the endo,
> he's the
> local internest I'd been seeing. It's easier for me to get
> prescriptions
> through him...or rather his NP...because I can just e-mail her and
> request,
> talk about meds, etc., and she writes the script and the doc okays it.
> Obviously he won't okay it if she writes for 300 strips a month,
> though. If I don't get some satisfaction trying to pry the
> doctor's head
> out of his rear orfice I'll call the endo's office and see what I
> can do
> there. Then there'd be the hassle of explaining to the insurance
> company to
> delete out the prescription from the one doctor and go with the
> other, but
> maybe the dr's office can do that. I dunno. Right now I think I need
> another sip of my cocoa.
>
>
> - sky -
>
> If you can't be kind, at least have
> the decency to be vague.
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[diabetes_int] Strips Rationing

2005-10-26T21:46:00.000-07:00

Hi All

Sky's, and other's, problems with medical professionals and minimal
strip prescriptions are not unique to the US. There are similar
difficulties happening in the UK with the NHS. An excellent draft
letter was posted on a UK forum a couple of days ago, and I thought
some here may find it useful as a base to work with.

Obviously, you would have to amend it to meet your local situation,
but the words and ideas in this may help you draft your own. I'm sure
the author won't mind me repeating it here. The author is responding
to a recent NHS leaflet implying that type 2's did not need to test
regularly.

"Dear Health Authority,

I enclose a copy of your leaflet. This leaflet appears to imply two
things:

1) Cure is better than prevention - an interesting reversal of an
often used maxim.

2) Patients who test their blood glucose levels either do nothing
with the results or will panic at the first high reading.

Regarding the second point I recommend that you read the National
Service Framework for Diabetes, the Patients' Charter, NICE guidelines
for diabetes treatment and all of the other official documents and
data sources which strongly support empowering the patient to have
more control over their own treatment. All of these bodies stress the
importance of allowing those patients who are inclined to take control
of managing their chronic condition to do so and give them the tools
available.

Since beginning testing before and after meals and other trigger
points during the day including exercise periods I have a much better
understanding of how my blood glucose levels are affected by my
dietary intake and activity. This has allowed me to make better
choices in my day to day life and daily management of my condition
allowing me to reduce my hba1c from 10.3 to "normal" levels (5.6) over
a period of a single year.

This achievement is due to having the testing tools at my disposal.
If however you remove the testing tools which allow me to control my
condition, against the recommendations of the National Service
Framework and National Institute of Clinical Excellence then I am sure
that any cost savings on test strips will be more than exceeded by the
cost of dialysis, eye treatment and amputation related costs in years
to come.

It gives me cause for great concern that you are ignoring the
recommendations listed above and putting my health at risk as a cost
saving exercise.

I await your response with interest, as I am sure will the Diabetes UK
Campaign Network, the local patient user forums, various internet user
groups and other assorted publishers.

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[diabetes_int] Re: sweetening yogurts

2005-10-26T21:45:00.000-07:00

My dessert concoction is some plain low fat yogurt, some blueberries,
some cinnamon and some of the sugar-free flavored syrups we've been
talking about. Not the same as a hot fudge sundae, of course, but
satisfies the urge to have a treat at least :))

Suzz

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> has anyone just tried using plain yogurt and adding fruit to it and let
> it be as is without sweeteners? I think it tastes better. Natural
> fruit flavor. I did away with sweeteners and now I find everything is
> just sweet enough and tastes much better. It took a while to get over
> the desire for the extra sweetness but now I find it was worth it.
Just
> a thought. Could even use spices to flavor it. Marlene
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Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T21:37:00.000-07:00

Sky, under normal circumstances, I test four times a day. Right now,
with the byetta and all the changes it has brought, I need to test more.

Now for you: I would suggest fbg and post breakfast. If lunch is up to
two hours away from your PP breakfast, you don't need a pre lunch test,
insulin or not. You can look back, but your probably do not have much of
a change in bgs in that time frame. If your lunch is nothing different
than before, one two hour PP check should be enough. Now you need to
look at your records again and if you find you are steady from 2 hours
lunch PP to pre dinner, you don't need a pre dinner check. One more
check should round out the day, either two hours PP or more. Depending
on your level of comfort. This is the way I usually do it, using insulin.

Once you have established a pattern, you can begin to skip a different
one of those checks each day. This gets you down to about a hundred
strips a month.

Now if you can get a prescription for two hundred strips from the endo,
you will have a hundred to use for testing new circumstances. Medicare
covered 6 tests a day for me because I use insulin. Strips do not come
in 180 pack units, so I got 200 strips a month.

Once you have a prescription for 200 strips as an insulin user, and have
filled out either Medicare's paper or your insurance's, you probably will
be OK except for periodic recertification.

Helen

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Re: [diabetes_int] Welcome New Member - Diane & Carpenter

2005-10-26T21:29:00.000-07:00

Welcome to Diane L. and also to Carpenter. You have both found a
great group! I only just found them a few weeks ago and they have
taught me tons already. So, welcome to the fold and I hope you learn
what you need.

Laura

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[diabetes_int] World Diabetes Day and the IDF

2005-10-26T21:09:00.000-07:00

Hi All,

I have been prowling the web looking for information and found that
November 14th (my birthday ironically) is World Diabetes Day. Here
is the link: http://www.worlddiabetesday.org/

I found the WDD through the IDF (International Diabetes Federation)
and didn't know whether any of you had found this link: http://
www.idf.org/home/ You may use the eAtlas of diabetes (This gives a
lot of information on prevalence of the disease worldwide, but not
really much of anything on treatment. Seems more about awareness.)
on the IDF site for free and you can also join the IDF but, it looks
a bit pricey despite the cost being listed in Euros. :)

The IDF has a quarterly publication called the Diabetes Voice you can
subscribe to for free and there is a download for a new publication
called "Global Guidelines for Type 2 Diabetes" which is also free.

Laura

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RE: [diabetes_int] Re: Silly

2005-10-26T21:08:00.000-07:00

That was a great episode. M*A*S*H is my favorite program of all time and I
still watch it just about every day.

Les

Orrrrrr, how about doing a "Hawkeye/BJ" move on him. If you ever watched
the old "Mash" sitcom, they played unmerciful jokes on each other and
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III". One of my favorites was "making" Charles lose and gain weight and get
taller and shorter. First they lengthened his pants then they shortened
them. Then they let his pants out and then they let took them in to make
him think he was losing and then gaining. Pretty funny. Takes some work,
but worth the effect. Endless possibilities ........

Laura

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Silly

2005-10-26T21:01:00.000-07:00

Orrrrrr, how about doing a "Hawkeye/BJ" move on him. If you ever
watched the old "Mash" sitcom, they played unmerciful jokes on each
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pants out and then they let took them in to make him think he was
losing and then gaining. Pretty funny. Takes some work, but worth
the effect. Endless possibilities ........

Laura

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Re: [diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-26T20:54:00.000-07:00

Nothing Vicky - the thing made me so angry - like we are all lazy junk
food eaters and made our own bed so should now lie in it. I have written
to the program and wonder if I will get any type of reply. I sat here
and smoldered as they were talking and needed to vent.

Barb

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Re: [diabetes_int] DaVinci syrups

2005-10-26T20:40:00.000-07:00

also great with carbonate water as a soda. my
husband has one of those spritzers and I steal it on
occation.
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-------------
Whipped Cream Frosting
Ingredients:

* 1 teaspoon Knox unflavored gelatin
* 1 Tablespoon DaVinci Gourmet Sugar Free Vanilla
syrup*
* 1 cup heavy whipping cream
* 4 packets Splenda

Whipped Cream Frosting
Dissolve gelatin in DaVinci Vanilla. Add gelatin
mixture and Splenda to whipping cream in a large, cold
bowl (the bowl should be metal or glass - not
plastic.) Whip mixture until stiff, but not dry.

Frost low carb cakes or cupcakes by spreading on, or
by placing whipped cream frosting in a pastry bag to
pipe pretty shapes all over the cake. Should last
several days refrigerated.

Makes 2 cups whipped frosting. Total grams of
carbohydrate in recipe: 9.

* NOTE: Change flavors of DaVinci Syrup to get
different flavors and colors of frosting. With weaker
flavors, use 2 Tablespoon DaVinci. You can even make
maple frosting by using sugar free maple syrup!

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I've seen them at Bev Mo [liquor store thingy]

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[diabetes_int] ABC News Diabetes Item

2005-10-26T20:35:00.000-07:00

I was distressed by a piece on the ABC evening news tonight. I know that
it is not unusual to be categorized, but they came right out and said,
not intimated or skirted around, flat outright said that Type II
diabetes is caused by poor diet, lack of exercise and obesity. They were
saying that diabetes had increased several million since 2003 and then
went on to state that if you have diabetes it is basically your own
fault. Placing such a stigma on people who have a chronic condition, to
me, is a bit like overkill. I guess you cannot change City Hall and how
people think about diabetics, but I certainly do not expect to hear
something like that on the news.

Down off soap box.

Barb

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Re: [Diabetes-International] Re: Managing diabetes with no medication - more ???

2005-10-26T20:31:00.000-07:00

yay!! Thanx for the resources.

Therrelyn <bibikoa@yahoo.com> wrote:

Carbs do make your BS go up.. Protein itself does not such as meat, chicken, eggs, cheese, but you have to watch what else is with the protein.. Such as in energry protein bars, the dairy products, etc.... they have carbs. Rick Mendoza has a great site for foods to eat and not eat, and Gretchen Becker has a book out, Diabetes Type II the First Year, which is awesome.

Therrelyn

Eileen <down2earthspirit@yahoo.com> wrote:

I thought carbs makes your BS go up not protein? So does it work the other way - more protein keeps it from spiking?

And I have read that it doesn't matter how much sugar is in a food - I should count the carbs. Any feedback on that??

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Silly

2005-10-26T20:20:00.000-07:00

That's not silly! That is vengence!

Dee

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> in the yard. She
> also broke in and stole lots of stuff, something I
> wouldn't recommend,
> although she got away with it. Sue
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 12:44 AM, Ted
> Quick wrote:
>
> > How about sewing the bottom end of all the pockets
> together?
>
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Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T20:01:00.000-07:00

At 08:49 PM 10/26/05, whimsy2 wrote:

>Can you get another doc?
>(and 'scuse me if you already mentioned yes -- senior moment, smile.)

I have the endo, whom I've only seen once. He seemed okay prescribing the
humalog so I'll see if I can get a prescription for more strips from him.
As mentioned, the problem will be replacing the new prescription for 4x a
day's worth of strips that I just got with any new more generous
prescription from the endo. But I'm not going to pursue it until after
Halloween. I just need to calm down a bit. If the endo isn't willing,
though, everyone better hold on to their chairs because it's not going to
be a pretty sight. This endo is supposed to be all for well-controlled
diabetics. But he thinks good control is higher than I do.

sky

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Re: [diabetes_int] Doctors, Test Strips and Frustration

2005-10-26T20:00:00.000-07:00

>If there is nothing I can do about the high bg levels, why bother to test?<

Living well is the best revenge.

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Re: [diabetes_int] Welcome New Member - Robert

2005-10-26T19:40:00.000-07:00

I see we have a couple of new members today, although not all new to
diabetes.

For Robert...I think you'll find this list a very good one for keeping
you motivated!

Anyway, I'm going to attach my "standard newby letter" here. Even
though it's oriented to newly diagnosed diabetics and some of you new to
the list are "oldies," , I urge our new members to read it carefully and
follow all the links - there may be information that's new to you

First of all, let me refer you to two of the best books about diabetes.
Read 'em and you'll learn a lot:

The first one is called

"The First Year, Type Two Diabetes, An Essential Guide for the Newly
Diagnosed" by Gretchen Becker. Gretchen is a list member and her book
is an excellent guide. It's in paperback and available online from
Amazon if your local bookstore doesn't have it.

The second book is called
"Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions" by Richard K. Bernstein, M.D. You
can get it from the library but it's such a good reference that you
really should have it in your home library. Dr. Bernstein is a longtime
type 1 who controls his diabetes using a lowcarb diet as well as
insulin.. Many of us - both type 1 and 2 -- on this list have found
great success using his plan or a modified version thereof.
.
And here's the URL to Dr. Bernstein's website, where there's lots of
good stuff:

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml

These two books will give you good basic information on the ins and
outs of diabetes management.

I would further refer you to an excellent informational website titled "

"What They Don't Tell You About Diabetes"

http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

If it isn't there for some reason, let me know and I can email you the
contents -- I have it in my archives now.

I would also refer you to David Mendosa's website, where
there's a wealth of diabetic information and good links. He also has
an online diabetes newsletter which is very good. It's also an
excellent source for information about the GI index (glycemic index).

www.mendosa.com

There's one thing that's sure to make BGs rise and that's carbohydrates.
Cutting out high GI carbs is an excellent way to control your BGs and
the more you cut, the better. Most of us find that the "whites" --
breads, cereals and pastas, in fact anything made with grain - will
raise our BGs. Also, rice and potatoes will do the same. And of course,
cakes and cookies and sweets of all kinds, including fruits and fruit
juices.

Watch out for "low calorie" foods; often they're higher in carbs. Learn
to read food labels.

Dr. Bernstein recommends about 40 carbs a day total. This is really only
for the dedictated low carber and IMHO hard to maintain over the long
run. However, I've read that the average American eats about 300 carbs a
day, so the truth is somewhere in between. The best thing you can do
for yourself (if you haven't already) is buy a meter and use it
FREQUENTLY. At the beginning you want to learn how different foods
affect your BG and to do this you need to eat one food at a time,
testing first...then test one and two hours afterwards. Weigh out the
amounts and keep good notes. You'll use up a lot of strips in the
beginning but the rewards are definitely worth the expense and bother
because in the end, you'll know what foods to avoid and which are okay.

Diabetes is a very individual disease and we often say YMMV - "your
mileage may vary" -- what works for one may not work for another.

You want to aim for postprandial (two hours after meal) BG of 120.
Keeping your BGs between 70 and 140 are your goals. If you can do this
longterm, you can probably avoid the dreaded consequences of longterm
poor BG control...and I'm sure I don't have to list those for you. (I
will if you want, though).

Here's my own list of pretty lowcarb veggies:

Spinach
Cauliflower
Broccoli
Summer squash (zucchini, crookneck)
Spaghetti squash
Mushrooms
Asparagus
Greenbeans
Cabbage
Sauerkraut

And of course lettuce and avocados which aren't a veggie but a
fruit .but they're definitely lowcarb. I have a large mixed lettuce
salad with avocado every night with dinner.

You can eat a reasonable portion (4-6 ounces) of meat, chicken, fish
without problem; it's all protein, no carbs.

Berries are the lowest carb fruit but even so, you should eat them very
sparingly. Here's the website of the USDA, which you'll find very
helpful. It has carbs, calories, protein, etc.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

It's helpful to have a food scale. A cup measure isn't nearly so
accurate. I use a Salter scale. It weighs in both grams and ounces and
cost me somewhere around $35. I got mine at a local gourmet shop but
they're available online too. Just do a Google search for "Salter food
scales".

The A1C is a test that measures your average BG for a three-month period
with slightly more weight given to the latest month. All diabetics
should have this test every three months. And you should ask for, and
keep, copies of all your lab reports.

Oh, here's a link to a site that explains some definitions of
diabetic terminology:

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Pancreas.html

Good luck. And keep those questions coming. There's a really steep
learning curve at the beginning of your diabetes education but hang in
there -- it will all make sense eventually. And remember -- the only
stupid question is the one you didn't ask.

Vicki, diabetic since 1997, A1Cs consistently under 6 for a long time,
no complications, planning on forever no complications,
smile.

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Subject: [diabetes_int] Welcome New Member - Robert

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> At 07:46 PM 10/26/2005, Robert wrote:
>>Hello,
>> My name is Robert Palmer and I am a diabetic, diagnosed
>> about five years ago. I take glucovance and avandia for my
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>> far it is under control in spite of my bad habits. I hope that
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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: I hate doctors

2005-10-26T19:38:00.000-07:00

Hi Sky:

I agree with Alan that you are a good writer and should <<write words in
a factual, rational complaint>> to your Doc.

You might want to leave out the part that goes: <<da***ed miserable stupid skanky fornicating egotistical know-it-all and where he ought to watch out for his jewells.>> While I really enjoyed that part, I don't think it is what Alan was referring to.

Jo, rotflmao

>Hi Sky
>
>You write well. Have you considered a letter to your doctor?
>
>I've never had to write such a letter to my doc, but with other
>organisations I've found that the written word in a factual, rational
>complaint is far more effective than the phone or email. And it sure
>beats being put on hold and listening to muzak.
>
>Better still, the recipient can't interrupt:-)
>
>Just a thought. Good luck.
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia
>
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>
>
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[diabetes_int] Welcome New Member - Robert

2005-10-26T19:24:00.000-07:00

Hi Y'all..

I'm feeling my Southern roots for the moment!

We have another new member, Robert. Welcome Robert! And yes... there
is a digest version available. Once Yahoo! presses the magic button
and your membership actually shows up on the list, I'll change it for you!

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At 07:46 PM 10/26/2005, Robert wrote:
>Hello,
> My name is Robert Palmer and I am a diabetic, diagnosed
> about five years ago. I take glucovance and avandia for my
> diabetes. I should be exercising more and dieting better, but so
> far it is under control in spite of my bad habits. I hope that
> joining your group will help me to stay motivated to do better.
> If you have a digest version of the mailing list, I'd
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Re: [Diabetes-International] Re: Managing diabetes with no medication - more ...

2005-10-26T19:13:00.000-07:00

Therrelyn:

What is the web address for Rick Mendoza's website?

Also if anyone else has any good websites where I can nutritional info on whats good and whats not that would help a lot. Thanks!

Heart Hugs,

Kim Shadek
Mom to Daniel, Hypo-Plastic Left Heart Syndrome -- HLHS, 2 1/2 years old (heart mender Dr. Thomas Spray, CHOP) & Justin (born 2/9/05)
Wife to Kenneth
Northern New Jersey

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Re: [diabetes_int] Doctors, Test Strips and Frustration

2005-10-26T19:00:00.000-07:00

A "good" A1C can be very deceiving because you may be having lows that
balance out the highs so it looks like you have good control when you
really don't.

If you test 1 and 2 hours after meals and keep a written record of that
and show it to your doc, it may help. But whatever you do, don't give
up!
Vicki

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [diabetes_int] Doctors, Test Strips and Frustration

> Hi Everyone. Have been reading the messages from Sky and the trouble
> she is having with insurance and doctors. I know how you feel. My
> doctor says to test two times a day. What is that going to show as
> far
> as bg control goes? Not much.
>
> I have almost stopped testing though. I have only a certain amount of
> medication to help me with bg control. If there is nothing I can do
> about the high bg levels, why bother to test? The doctor's office
> keeps throwing the A1C level back at me for a reason not to change my
> medication levels. I seriously doubt this next A1C will be even close
> to the 5.1 I had the last time it was checked.
>
> Guess we will see in Nov. If the A1C is higher, maybe, just maybe,
> she
> will increase my medication level. She just doesn't listen when I
> tell
> her what I need for control. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!
>
> Hang in there Sky......... I understand just what you are going
> through.
>
> Cindy in NC

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[Diabetes-International] Re: OT/computer question

2005-10-26T18:35:00.000-07:00

--- In Diabetes-International@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Kemp
<natori22@y...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how to make folders. I would like
> to save some of these messages and don't know how.
> Many thanks.
> CarolynK
>
>

Hi Carolyn --

if you have Windows as your operating system, go to Windows Explorer
and you will see Windows98 (the one I have) higlighted; go to File on
the top left and click on that, down a bit it says New, then while
you're there it says Folder. Click on Folder, then at the bottom of
your files it will have a new box highlighted; type Diabetes in that
box, then hit enter, and you've got your new file.
Easier than it sounds.

Rebecca

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Re: [diabetes_int] DaVinci syrups

2005-10-26T18:24:00.000-07:00

I use the raspberry syrup with lc ice cream, also caramel when
appropriate. That's about all I can think of to do with them, and at
the price of DaVinci I've found I can easily do without. There may be
no carbs, but there's no nutritional value either... of course, there's
no nutritional value in the ice cream either, unless sugar alcohols are
doing something wonderful for us... well, the laxative effect I guess.

CarolR

Mary Sue wrote:
> I was looking for something else in a super WalMart and just happened
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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Byetta

2005-10-26T18:23:00.000-07:00

Well, y'know, all isn't lost. I think I referred you to Ron's list at
one point but you didn't pick up the ball. However, maybe you feel
different now about it now that your doc has given up.

Yes, it's a lot of testing and it takes weeks to months, and you'll go
through a lot of strips -- but if you stick with it at the end I can
practically guarantee good results. Ron's even been able to help
hardcore so-called "brittle" diabetics get good control with insulin.

For those who came in in the middle of this discussion, I'm referring to
another list, known as DSM -- diabetes self management -- whose
moderator, Ron Sebol, is a retired engineer. He's devised a system of
insulin dosing based on individual parameters and IT WORKS. If anyone
wants join-up information, just let me know.
Vicki

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Subject: Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Byetta

>
>
> whimsy2 <whimsy2@quik.com> wrote:
> Kat: I don't remember but are you on insulin?
> Vicki
>
>
> I am on 25 units Lantus, 10 mcg Byetta <twice daily>, and 4 mg Amaryl.
>
> Kat

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Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T17:51:00.000-07:00

Can you get another doc?
(and 'scuse me if you already mentioned yes -- senior moment, smile.)
Vicki

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Subject: Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

> At 06:25 PM 10/26/05, Marla James wrote:
>
>>It may not be the doctor.
>
> I talked to him. It's him.
>
> I may just stop testing for FBG, before and after meals, and in the
> evening. Save all strips for when I use insulin.
>
> sky
>

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[Diabetes-International] Re: Levemir/insulin detemir

2005-10-26T16:56:00.000-07:00

thank you for the suggestion; I did call the company, and the two
people I talked to could not give me any info, except to confirm that
their company did make Levemir. Les
--- In Diabetes-International@yahoogroups.com, Therrelyn
<bibikoa@y...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I don't have a real answer from you. But I would check the
label and find the 800 number to the company itself,and they might
could give you the information you are looking for..
> Therrelyn
>
>
> Any input from anyone who has used Levemir would be appreciated
(and
> if anyone has any info on how to purchase Levemir before it becomes
> available in the US, would like to hear that also. APparently
> importing a med is legal as long as the FDA has approved the med;
the
> FDA approved Levemir this past summer. Altho how would one ship it
> from Europe to the US, and have it arrive in 'usable' shape (it
would
> need cooler packs?) ? Thank you, Les
>
>
>
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[diabetes_int] Re: Is is possible to control diabetes without meds?

2005-10-26T16:51:00.000-07:00

--- In diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com, "susan11897" <susan11897@y...> wrote:
>
> I have been controlling with diet and exercise only since diagnosis
in 1997. Whether or not you are able to do it depends not only upon
the state of your beta cells and the progression of the disease in
your body but also upon your willingness to make the needed sacrifices
via food selection etc. in order to stay off medication.
>
> I never met a piece of bread or potato I liked more than not taking
a pill :)). Ice cream is a different matter, of course :)
>
> Suzz, t2, dx97, d&e
>

Hi Suzz

I was hoping to emulate you, but after three years I've just started
on metformin; however, I still agree completely with your comment. We
each choose our own balance between lifestyle, discipline and medications.

Everything has a price, not always money. Our choices may decide
whether we pay now or pay later.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia

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Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T16:40:00.000-07:00

At 06:25 PM 10/26/05, Marla James wrote:

>It may not be the doctor.

I talked to him. It's him.

I may just stop testing for FBG, before and after meals, and in the
evening. Save all strips for when I use insulin.

sky

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[diabetes_int] Re: I hate doctors

2005-10-26T16:28:00.000-07:00

--- In diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com, Sky <skydancer9@c...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm mad right now. I talked to my doctor's office and he sent in the
same old "test 4x a day" prescription for test strips that I had before,
<snip>
>
> I'll wait to hear from the Dr. and if he won't increase the
prescription I'm going to call the endo I was sent to and see if he'll
prescribe what I need.
>

Hi Sky

You write well. Have you considered a letter to your doctor?

I've never had to write such a letter to my doc, but with other
organisations I've found that the written word in a factual, rational
complaint is far more effective than the phone or email. And it sure
beats being put on hold and listening to muzak.

Better still, the recipient can't interrupt:-)

Just a thought. Good luck.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia

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Re: [Diabetes-International] Re: Managing diabetes with no medication - more ???

2005-10-26T16:19:00.000-07:00

Carbs do make your BS go up.. Protein itself does not such as meat, chicken, eggs, cheese, but you have to watch what else is with the protein.. Such as in energry protein bars, the dairy products, etc.... they have carbs. Rick Mendoza has a great site for foods to eat and not eat, and Gretchen Becker has a book out, Diabetes Type II the First Year, which is awesome.

Therrelyn

Eileen <down2earthspirit@yahoo.com> wrote:

I thought carbs makes your BS go up not protein? So does it work the other way - more protein keeps it from spiking?

And I have read that it doesn't matter how much sugar is in a food - I should count the carbs. Any feedback on that??

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RE: [diabetes_int] DaVinci syrups

2005-10-26T16:03:00.000-07:00

It also works ok over ice cream or sorbet.

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Subject: Re: [diabetes_int] DaVinci syrups

I was looking for something else in a super WalMart and just happened to see
a few DaVinci syrups. Actually, they didn't have many flavors. I bought
vanilla, but don't know what to do with it except put it in coffee. Sue

On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 09:55 AM, Gretchen wrote:

>> I am unable to find these syrups in my shopping area
>
> You can get it online, but it's expensive, I think $7.99 per big
> bottle, plus shipping. OTOH, you have a huge selection of flavors.

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Re: [Diabetes-International] OT/computer question

2005-10-26T15:59:00.000-07:00

Hi Carolyn, Just go to the top and click on move to folder, and the first one will be NEW Folder,, click on that and it will allow you a space to name your folder.. You can save it in a folder here if you use Yahoo mail... If you want to save it on the desk top, then you would right click, then "New Folder", then you would name it.. Then when you want to save something. right click, then save as,, and whatever folder you want to save it in.. Hope this helps.

Therrelyn

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Re: [diabetes_int] Dancing

2005-10-26T15:54:00.000-07:00

>Well, I certainly have the belly for it....<

So do I, sky! The nice thing is that we can put those bellies to good use while
having fun. And it's a gooood workout without the boredom factor!

Dianne

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Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T15:47:00.000-07:00

> I'm doing "excellent" for a diabetic. There's no need to test as much as I
am.<

To quote Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!" Doesn't he understand WHY you are doing
so well? Because you test!

Afraid you need a new doc, Sky. He sounds like a doofus. Good luck with the
endo!

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[diabetes_int] Doctors, Test Strips and Frustration

2005-10-26T15:46:00.000-07:00

Hi Everyone. Have been reading the messages from Sky and the trouble
she is having with insurance and doctors. I know how you feel. My
doctor says to test two times a day. What is that going to show as far
as bg control goes? Not much.

I have almost stopped testing though. I have only a certain amount of
medication to help me with bg control. If there is nothing I can do
about the high bg levels, why bother to test? The doctor's office
keeps throwing the A1C level back at me for a reason not to change my
medication levels. I seriously doubt this next A1C will be even close
to the 5.1 I had the last time it was checked.

Guess we will see in Nov. If the A1C is higher, maybe, just maybe, she
will increase my medication level. She just doesn't listen when I tell
her what I need for control. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

Hang in there Sky......... I understand just what you are going through.

Cindy in NC

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Re: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T15:29:00.000-07:00

It may not be the doctor. If you are on medicare or have an HMO, they will
only allow you to test four times a day and will only pay for enough strips
to do so. I usually call my strip perscription in a day or two early I have
to take 5 shots a day and if my BG goes too low I have to test too. At this
point I have about 25 extra strips for this. Unless you want to buy some out
of pocket. I suggest going to ebay.
Marla

-------Original Message-------

From: Sky
Date: 10/26/05 14:28:46
To: diabetes_int@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [diabetes_int] *&%$#@!!

Just spoke to my doctor about the need for more than 4 tests per day.

%$#(*&^#@!)(*&^*$%#)*&*&$%@!!! #(%&$^#(@!!))(&^&%$#)!!!! )^&%$$#&@^$(%&
$(* &!!!

da***ed miserable stupid skanky fornicating egotistical know-it-all
%$*%&$#!!! It's lucky for y'all I can't say what I'd really like to say
here.

I'm doing "excellent" for a diabetic. There's no need to test as much as I
am. AAARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!! (pant, pant)
He understands NOTHING!!!!!!!! "we'll just have to agree not to
agree". In a pig's eye, I will. No use giving him any facts and figures,
he "knows" what's right.

Now I can only hope the endocrinologist will prescribe what I need. I don't
think I have what it takes to deal with him in the next few days.

sky

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[diabetes_int] O/T

2005-10-26T15:27:00.000-07:00

You forgot: having a bad day=HBD? ml

kcd (k.c. dillon) wrote:

> At 01:44 PM 26-10-05, you wrote:
>
>>A PCP is what, a physician's assistant?
>
>
>
> PCP = primary care provider, an MD in most cases
>
> PA = physician's assistant
>
> NP = nurse-practitioner
>
> IMHO = in my humble opinion
>
>
> kcd
>
> having a bad day
>

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Re: [Diabetes-International] OT/computer question

2005-10-26T15:26:00.000-07:00

right click on your desktop....go to new...folders

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Byetta

2005-10-26T15:25:00.000-07:00

whimsy2 <whimsy2@quik.com> wrote:
Kat: I don't remember but are you on insulin?
Vicki

I am on 25 units Lantus, 10 mcg Byetta <twice daily>, and 4 mg Amaryl.

Kat

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[diabetes_int] What I did with the faux potatoes

2005-10-26T15:04:00.000-07:00

I made some of those this week...I do it a bit differently as for one whole
head of cauliflower I add 1 small potato...just seems to flavor it better...

Well its a hit with the family....they can't tell the difference.

But today I took the leftovers..about 1 cup...put them in a sauce pan with
some water and then added some chicken seasoning..a sprinkling of parsley and
dehydrated onion and a bit of heavy cream...I warmed it up and viola....faux
potato soup!! It was delicious!! and necessary as I went to the dentist today
and that was about all I could chew...!! <grin>

Ressy

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[diabetes_int] abbreviations

2005-10-26T15:01:00.000-07:00

At 01:44 PM 26-10-05, you wrote:
>A PCP is what, a physician's assistant?

PCP = primary care provider, an MD in most cases

PA = physician's assistant

NP = nurse-practitioner

IMHO = in my humble opinion

kcd

having a bad day

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[diabetes_int] Re: *&%$#@!!

2005-10-26T14:52:00.000-07:00

he actually said you will just have to agree to disagree?????
how frustrating for you to have to deal with this.
Never heard of 'shanky'...I like it.
Dawn

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: smashed cauliflower

2005-10-26T14:48:00.000-07:00

At 03:47 PM 10/26/05, dawn_qabbalah wrote:

>Is instant potato mix made with potatoes? I wonder if it has lower
>carbs. Anyone know? I could manage to eat those.

my comment on instant potato mix was meant to be a joke. It's potatoes and
you don't want to eat it.

>I do however have some cauliflower cooking right now - just so
>happened my grocery was having buy one get one free...and I really
>didn't know what I was going to do with the other head...I live alone
>and there is only so much cauliflower a gal can eat.

It's good raw dipped into dip. I like sour cream and blue cheese.

sky

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Re: [diabetes_int] DaVinci syrups

2005-10-26T14:26:00.000-07:00

I was looking for something else in a super WalMart and just happened
to see a few DaVinci syrups. Actually, they didn't have many flavors. I
bought vanilla, but don't know what to do with it except put it in
coffee. Sue

On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 09:55 AM, Gretchen wrote:

>> I am unable to find these syrups in my shopping area
>
> You can get it online, but it's expensive, I think $7.99 per big
> bottle,
> plus shipping. OTOH, you have a huge selection of flavors.

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[diabetes_int] smashed cauliflower

2005-10-26T14:22:00.000-07:00

>Is instant potato mix made with potatoes? I wonder if it has lower carbs.
Anyone know? I could manage to eat those. <

The next time you are in the supermarket, check the package. it will probably
give you a serving size of 1/4-1/2 a cup and a carb total that is astronomical
(with no fiber to subtract). I'd bet that instant mashed has the highest (or
close to) carb count of any potato product. Then figure whether you can manage
to eat the tiny amount that they allow as a serving size.

BTW, lightly cooked cauliflower freezes successfully. (I say lightly cooked
because I will want to reheat it and I don't like my veggies to taste like
mush.)

Dianne

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[Diabetes-International] OT/computer question

2005-10-26T14:21:00.000-07:00

Can anyone tell me how to make folders. I would like
to save some of these messages and don't know how.
Many thanks.
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Re: [Diabetes-International] People MAP for DI.. Check it out... Just for Fun. OT

2005-10-26T14:15:00.000-07:00

Thanks Eddie. I will probably do messaging through
e-mails as I know very little about computers. Sorry
to say I am a really dummy when it comes to computers.
CarolynK

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> WeB Log and is a journal or diary kept online by
> someone. I believe it may have been used
> erroneously here. I think the person was speaking
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>
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Re: [Diabetes-International] Re: Fwd: Introducing SPLENDA(R) Brown Sugar Blend...

2005-10-26T13:48:00.000-07:00

Ally,
What amounts of Stevia do you use. I have tried it in
the past and it has tasted bitter. Thanks.
CarolynK

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> i use stevia. no allergies. no chemical smell. no
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> cold stability issues. no funky aftertaste or
> stomach upset.
>
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> ya self. and a lil goes a long way.
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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Silly

2005-10-26T13:39:00.000-07:00

My son's ex-girlfriend stalker put some type of super glue in the
pockets of his pants. She also put some blue dye in a sock and put it
with his dirty laundry. She poured vinegar on plants in the yard. She
also broke in and stole lots of stuff, something I wouldn't recommend,
although she got away with it. Sue

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[diabetes_int] Welcome New Member - Diane

2005-10-26T13:33:00.001-07:00

Hi All,

Please join me in welcoming new member Diane!

Rick

At 10:16 AM 10/26/2005, Diane wrote:
>I'm a new member and wanted to introduce myself. I'm a type 2 and
>was diagnosed 10 years ago. I use Metformin, Lantus and Humalog and
>try to walk every day. I also try to follow a lower carb diet.
>
>Diane Lehman

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[diabetes_int] Re: smashed cauliflower

2005-10-26T13:33:00.000-07:00

Try adding some parmesan cheese to it. It tastes more like potatoes
that way, I think. I make it for family gatherings and it's always
one of the first dishes to disappear. I've added cheddar cheese,
too, but I really think the parmesan gives it just the right look and
flavor.

Christy

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>
> At 02:56 PM 10/26/05, whimsy2 wrote:
>
> >It doesn't taste just like mashed potatoes -- the texture is
different -
> >but it doesn't taste like cauliflower, either. And it LOOKS
exactly like
> >mashed potatoes.
>
> I dunno, I can always taste that it's cauliflower so I don't bother
to cook
> and mash it. I just cook cauiflower. YMMV, of course, I know many
of you
> guys that smashed cauliflower stuff. Yeah, some instant
mashed 'tater mix
> and it might convince me it's 'taters....
>
> sky
>

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Re: [Diabetes-International] Levemir/insulin detemir

2005-10-26T13:15:00.000-07:00

check here

http://www.diabetesuffolk.com/Managing%20Diabetes/Insulin%20Detemir.asp

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Subject: [Diabetes-International] Levemir/insulin detemir

Has anyone had any experience with the above, esp. if one had to switch from Ultralente to Levemir? I take UL, which Lilly stopped mfg'ing this past summer, so I have to find another long-acting insulin (altho I think there is no other insulin out there that has the same action profile as UL). I have tried Lantus (which apparently is very similar to Levemir), and had an adverse reaction to it. Levemir, last I heard, is not due for sale in the US until summer of '06 (yet it is now being used in Europe, I think? In Europe, does it come in vials?) When adjusting one's dose of long term insulin from UL to Levemir, what adjustments have people had to make in terms of: doses, frequency of injections, any peaking effect (I had heard that Levemir has a slight peak, whereas Lantus does not? Altho both are technically 24 hr insulins?) Any input from anyone who has used Levemir would be appreciated (and if anyone has any info on how to purchase Levemir before it becomes available in the US, would like to hear that also. APparently importing a med is legal as long as the FDA has approved the med; the FDA approved Levemir this past summer. Altho how would one ship it from Europe to the US, and have it arrive in 'usable' shape (it would need cooler packs?) ? Thank you, Les

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[Diabetes-International] Levemir/insulin detemir

2005-10-26T13:10:00.000-07:00

Has anyone had any experience with the above, esp. if one had to
switch from Ultralente to Levemir?
I take UL, which Lilly stopped mfg'ing this past summer, so I have to
find another long-acting insulin (altho I think there is no other
insulin out there that has the same action profile as UL).
I have tried Lantus (which apparently is very similar to Levemir),
and had an adverse reaction to it.
Levemir, last I heard, is not due for sale in the US until summer
of '06 (yet it is now being used in Europe, I think? In Europe, does
it come in vials?)
When adjusting one's dose of long term insulin from UL to Levemir,
what adjustments have people had to make in terms of: doses,
frequency of injections, any peaking effect (I had heard that Levemir
has a slight peak, whereas Lantus does not? Altho both are
technically 24 hr insulins?)
Any input from anyone who has used Levemir would be appreciated (and
if anyone has any info on how to purchase Levemir before it becomes
available in the US, would like to hear that also. APparently
importing a med is legal as long as the FDA has approved the med; the
FDA approved Levemir this past summer. Altho how would one ship it
from Europe to the US, and have it arrive in 'usable' shape (it would
need cooler packs?) ? Thank you, Les

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Re: [Diabetes-International] Re: Fwd: Introducing SPLENDA(R) Brown Sugar Blend...

2005-10-26T13:09:00.000-07:00

actually its not a chemical it is two protiens and when combined it becomes sweet

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Subject: [Diabetes-International] Re: Fwd: Introducing SPLENDA(R) Brown Sugar Blend...

i wish folks would stop flocking to a new improved artficial sweetener. it's chemicals neverthe less, no matter what the blend between real sugar and chemical is. i use stevia. no allergies. no chemical smell. no excessive 100x sweeter guarantee. no heat or cold stability issues. no funky aftertaste or stomach upset. STEVIA, people. from the earth. u can even grow it ya self. and a lil goes a long way. i'm really sorry to read what things people go thru using any type of artificial sweetener. http://www.stevia.net/ ally.

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[diabetes_int] Re: smashed cauliflower

2005-10-26T13:02:00.000-07:00

Is instant potato mix made with potatoes? I wonder if it has lower
carbs. Anyone know? I could manage to eat those.

I do however have some cauliflower cooking right now - just so
happened my grocery was having buy one get one free...and I really
didn't know what I was going to do with the other head...I live alone
and there is only so much cauliflower a gal can eat.

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Re: [diabetes_int] smashed cauliflower

2005-10-26T13:00:00.000-07:00

Also someone on this list adds a small amount of real potatoe to the mix for taste. I
think it was Helen. You might try that too.
ml

Sky wrote:

> At 02:56 PM 10/26/05, whimsy2 wrote:
>
>
>>It doesn't taste just like mashed potatoes -- the texture is different -
>>but it doesn't taste like cauliflower, either. And it LOOKS exactly like
>>mashed potatoes.
>
>
> I dunno, I can always taste that it's cauliflower so I don't bother to cook
> and mash it. I just cook cauiflower. YMMV, of course, I know many of you
> guys that smashed cauliflower stuff. Yeah, some instant mashed 'tater mix
> and it might convince me it's 'taters....
>
> sky
>
>

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Welcome New Member - MaryAnn

2005-10-26T12:58:00.000-07:00

I love ice cream and I get Safeway's Watch'n Carbs with 4 g net carbs. I love it and it
does not spike me. I love Butter Pecan and the nuts give some protein and also help I
think and it uses Splenda and 3g sugar which is ok.
ml

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> Yipee!! Cocoa and mashed potatoes...I might just get the hang of this
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Re: [Diabetes-International] People MAP for DI.. Check it out... Just for Fun. OT

2005-10-26T12:54:00.000-07:00

Hi Carolyn... the message boards are the area online that the Yahoo Groups talk in. However, you may be like me and just use your email to chat back and forth in Diabetes International. I very seldom go to the group online.

I saw your question about "blog" and "gmail", wanting to know what they were. Blog is a term for WeB Log and is a journal or diary kept online by someone. I believe it may have been used erroneously here. I think the person was speaking of an email message... not a blog.

As for "gmail"... Google online is a search engine that has added lots of other neat stuff. They have a free email service called Google Mail... thus Gmail. You can visit google and see the neat things they offer by copying and pasting the following address into your address browser.

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Hope this helps... Eddie

Carolyn Kemp <natori22@yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow! It must be a blast at your house when everyone is there. What is the message boards and how do you get there? CarolynK --- Edwina <edwina1_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Carolyn... wow! Small world, huh? I see I'm older > than you, by 3 years... and I have 16 grandchildren. > Really nice meeting you. See 'ya on the message > boards. Eddie > > Carolyn Kemp <natori22@yahoo.com> wrote:Hi Eddie, > Just thought I would let you know my maiden name was > Elliott. > CarolynK > > > --- Edwina <edwina1_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > What a neat map! Just love it. What a great way > to > > meet everyone "face to face". Thanks Therrelyn, > for > > setting it up for us. Eddie > > > > Therrelyn <bibikoa@yahoo.com> wrote:This is just > for > > fun. Join in if you like. Add your area and let us > > know where you are from. If not th United States, > > then click not the US, and it will let you scroll > > around until you find it.. You may be able to > > without clicking on that.... There are several > areas > > there. You can also add a saying, and a photo if > you > > choose.. It will let us get to know each other. > Just > > a little fun.. Diabetes is not all there is to > > life.. We need to smile and laugh sometimes... > > Therr > > > > http://www.frappr.com/diabetesinternational > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "Diabetes-International" on the > web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > Diabetes-International-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Byetta

2005-10-26T12:52:00.000-07:00

Kat: I don't remember but are you on insulin?
Vicki
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Subject: [diabetes_int] Re: Byetta

>
>> >I have stopped testing as much as I use to <sometimes once a day
> now because the Byetta made my numbers kind of erratic <low enough
> after meal but then high before eating>
>
>> wouldn't that be a reason to do MORE testing?
>
>
> Another reason I have stopped testing is if none of the drugs actually
> lower my numbers and I have already taken the maximum amount of drugs
> that kind of work, then what is the point in testing? Let's say I eat
> dinner, then test 2 hours later and my BS is 300. All I get out of
> knowing that info is stressed. If there is nothing I can do about it
> then why bother. Some might say well you could exercise. Exercise
> makes my BS higher. Some might say well you would know next time to
> not eat what you ate or eat less quantity. Just about everything I
> eat raises my BS. So I am at the point of saying why bother with it
> if there is nothing I can do about it. I am a lot less stressed since
> I have stopped testing. I only test if I don't feel good.
>
> So for now, I am just going with the A1c test and so far it's been
> pretty good. If it starts to get out of range I guess I will have to
> figure something else out. I guess I will have to figure it out by
> myself because of my doc not knowing what else to do with me. I guess
> she has run out of drugs. :)
>
> Kat

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[diabetes_int] Re: Byetta

2005-10-26T12:48:00.000-07:00

> >I have stopped testing as much as I use to <sometimes once a day
now because the Byetta made my numbers kind of erratic <low enough
after meal but then high before eating>

> wouldn't that be a reason to do MORE testing?

Another reason I have stopped testing is if none of the drugs actually
lower my numbers and I have already taken the maximum amount of drugs
that kind of work, then what is the point in testing? Let's say I eat
dinner, then test 2 hours later and my BS is 300. All I get out of
knowing that info is stressed. If there is nothing I can do about it
then why bother. Some might say well you could exercise. Exercise
makes my BS higher. Some might say well you would know next time to
not eat what you ate or eat less quantity. Just about everything I
eat raises my BS. So I am at the point of saying why bother with it
if there is nothing I can do about it. I am a lot less stressed since
I have stopped testing. I only test if I don't feel good.

So for now, I am just going with the A1c test and so far it's been
pretty good. If it starts to get out of range I guess I will have to
figure something else out. I guess I will have to figure it out by
myself because of my doc not knowing what else to do with me. I guess
she has run out of drugs. :)

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[diabetes_int] smashed cauliflower

2005-10-26T12:44:00.000-07:00

At 02:56 PM 10/26/05, whimsy2 wrote:

>It doesn't taste just like mashed potatoes -- the texture is different -
>but it doesn't taste like cauliflower, either. And it LOOKS exactly like
>mashed potatoes.

I dunno, I can always taste that it's cauliflower so I don't bother to cook
and mash it. I just cook cauiflower. YMMV, of course, I know many of you
guys that smashed cauliflower stuff. Yeah, some instant mashed 'tater mix
and it might convince me it's 'taters....

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[Diabetes-International] Re: Fwd: Introducing SPLENDA(R) Brown Sugar Blend...

2005-10-26T12:17:00.000-07:00

i wish folks would stop flocking to a new improved artficial sweetener. it's chemicals neverthe
less, no matter what the blend between real sugar and chemical is.

i use stevia. no allergies. no chemical smell. no excessive 100x sweeter guarantee. no heat or
cold stability issues. no funky aftertaste or stomach upset.

STEVIA, people. from the earth. u can even grow it ya self. and a lil goes a long way.
i'm really sorry to read what things people go thru using any type of artificial sweetener.

http://www.stevia.net/

ally.

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Re: [Diabetes-International] Re:blogger returned email

2005-10-26T11:57:00.000-07:00

What is a blog and what is Gmail. I have never heard
of either term. Thanks.
CarolynK

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> idea who it is but
> cannot prove it so will not say.
> This happens to members of a lot of diabetes groups
> at one time or another.
>
> I use Gmail, just curious as to why someone wondered
> about it. I love it*G*
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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Is is possible to control diabetes without meds?

2005-10-26T11:51:00.000-07:00

For target range, see my newby letter, Dawn...
If I remember correctly, it's 140 one hour after meal, 120 2 hours
after. If I'm wrong someone is sure to tell me. And A1C goal should be
(to avoid complications) under 6.5.
Vicki

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Subject: [diabetes_int] Re: Is is possible to control diabetes without
meds?

> Oh my gosh - I feel encouraged! I understand YMMV but it has given me
> a great deal of hope and an extra boost of motivation - especially in
> the wake of my metformin side effects. Thank you for taking the time
> to share your personal experiences with me.
>
> What should be my goal as far as A1c numbers and target range BG - for
> fasting and after meals? I feel as if I am on a mission!
>
>> > I wondered if is possible that once I get my numbers under control
>> > with food and exercise will I be able to ever go off the
> medication or
>> > at least reduce it?
>> >
>

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Welcome New Member - MaryAnn

2005-10-26T11:50:00.000-07:00

Yes, Dawn, it really does satisfy.

It doesn't taste just like mashed potatoes -- the texture is different -
but it doesn't taste like cauliflower, either. And it LOOKS exactly like
mashed potatoes. If you're comfortable about it, you can add more butter
than I mentioned, that gives it more flavor. I don't have a problem with
that for myself. I've really grown to like them...to the extent that
just once after a long time without them, I decided to have mashed
potatoes...and found I didn't like them as much as the "faux"! And
especially with the sauteed mushrooms and/or cheese in them.
Vicki, almost 8 years with diabetes now and still no complications,
smile...

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Subject: [diabetes_int] Re: Welcome New Member - MaryAnn

> Vicki
>
> I am intrigued by the faux mashed potatoes. Does this satisfy you when
> you want mashed potatoes? What does "IMHO" mean? I think I am going to
> whip up a batch. You sure sound like you have the meal preparation and
> eating down well. I aspire to that. Right now it feels like it is all
> so much work and annoying that I have to take food with me when I am
> going to be gone all day.
>
> MaryAnn....I understand how it is to cook for one as well. I much
> rather enjoy cooking for more and I certainly know that I started
> adding on pounds when I ate out of convenience.
>
> Dawn - NC
> Diagnosed 10/05 Type 2
>
>
>
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Re: [diabetes_int] I hate doctors

2005-10-26T11:37:00.000-07:00

> A PCP is what, a physician's assistant? My doctor uses a nurse
practitioner, so he has to okay prescriptions as near as I can tell.

I'll remember the wording, though...might come in handy.>

PCP= Primary Care Physician. She actually specializes in Family Medicine, babies to geriatrics. But I refer to her as my PCP, 'cause she makes all of my referrals...
Let me know if the wording works. :-)

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[diabetes_int] Re: I hate doctors

2005-10-26T11:16:00.000-07:00

But not in your world right now.
>
> Oh well, I'm sorry to be griping so much. There are bigger problems
in the
> world.
>
>
> sky
>
> Wisdon doesn't always come with age,
> Sometimes age comes alone.
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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Is is possible to control diabetes without meds?

2005-10-26T11:07:00.000-07:00

In a message dated 10/26/2005 11:38:16 AM Central Standard Time,
susan11897@yahoo.com writes:

> I never met a piece of bread or potato I liked more than not taking a
> pill :)). Ice cream is a different matter, of course :)
>
> Suzz, t2, dx97, d&e
>

Woman after my own heart.....<grin>

Ressy

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[diabetes_int] Diarrhea, yogurt and Kefir

2005-10-26T10:58:00.000-07:00

> Try eating some yogurt (with live culture) every day. That worked for
me to stop the explosive diarrhea that metformin gave me.

Just to relate - I had so many antibiotics given to me last winter that I nearly became abx resistant. This took a tad more work, but I cultured my own Kefir and drank ~2 cups a day, plain, with little effect on BGs. My insides were turned inside out from all of the abx. Even Lomotil (Rx strength Immodium, basically) wasn't working, but the Kefir did.
Kefir can be purchased if you need more live cultures than are in yogurt or if you don't want to make your own.

Here's Dom's site for culturing Kefir... It's very detailed, but isn't that hard to make once you get the hang of it.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

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[diabetes_int] type of meter

2005-10-26T10:56:00.000-07:00

I remember that some of you use the Wal-Mart meter. Could you tell me if
you're pleased with the accuracy? Can you order their strips online or do
you need to get them only from Wal-Mart? I'm thinking that maybe I need a
meter with cheaper strips. What I pay now seems to be about the middle of
the price range (to judge from the Hocks.com site).

How about some other meter suggestions?

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Convincing the doctor

2005-10-26T10:54:00.000-07:00

At 11:38 AM 10/26/05, DEKEP@aol.com wrote:

>Okay, Sky, so this is not a good time to give you a lot of numbers <grin> but
>. . .
>
>If the doctor said for you to use insulin, then testing three times for each
>meal and eating three meals a day requires 9 tests a day.
>
>In a month that requires 9 x 31, namely, 279 strips. Allowing for unusual
>events, 300 strips/month seems reasonable.
>
>Would it help to indicate that you hope to cut back on your testing later, as
>soon as you've learned how to prevent dangerous hypoglycemic events?

I'll mention that. But just think, even without insulin we're *supposed* to
be testing morning and night and before and after each meal. That's 8
strips right there. Granted that if we eat pretty much the same thing for a
meal every day we could skip that testing, but still there are always the
times we want to test a particular new food or we get too small of a drop
of blood for the strip and the blasted meter gives us an "error" (I hate it
when that happens so I always squeeze out more blood than the meter is
supposed to be able to read).

>If the doctor hasn't yet advised you to use insulin you should tell him why
>it's important for you. And use whatever reasons will help sell the idea.

I've got the prescription for Humalog. This doctor isn't the endo, he's the
local internest I'd been seeing. It's easier for me to get prescriptions
through him...or rather his NP...because I can just e-mail her and request,
talk about meds, etc., and she writes the script and the doc okays it.
Obviously he won't okay it if she writes for 300 strips a month,
though. If I don't get some satisfaction trying to pry the doctor's head
out of his rear orfice I'll call the endo's office and see what I can do
there. Then there'd be the hassle of explaining to the insurance company to
delete out the prescription from the one doctor and go with the other, but
maybe the dr's office can do that. I dunno. Right now I think I need
another sip of my cocoa.

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[diabetes_int] Re: Convincing the doctor

2005-10-26T10:46:00.000-07:00

Cocoa???? What kind did you find??? I have absolutely wishing I could
have cocoa!!

Right now I think I need
> another sip of my cocoa.
>
>
> - sky -
>
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Re: [diabetes_int] sweetening yogurts

2005-10-26T10:38:00.000-07:00

has anyone just tried using plain yogurt and adding fruit to it and let
it be as is without sweeteners? I think it tastes better. Natural
fruit flavor. I did away with sweeteners and now I find everything is
just sweet enough and tastes much better. It took a while to get over
the desire for the extra sweetness but now I find it was worth it. Just
a thought. Could even use spices to flavor it. Marlene

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[diabetes_int] Re: side effects - metformin - /dawn

2005-10-26T10:34:00.000-07:00

thanks Lynne. I need to figure something out because I can not go back
to what I have been experiencing. I have an appointment on Nov 1 so I
will see what can be figured out then.

. Perhaps you could speak to your
> Dr. about some of the other medications available.
>
> Lynne

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Welcome New Member - MaryAnn

2005-10-26T09:47:00.000-07:00

> There's also another brand of these syrups sold in Cost Plus and other
> places -- Torani is the brand name; same price as Divinci.

Are they as good? I tried another brand and it was definitely inferior.

Gretchen

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[diabetes_int] Re: Is is possible to control diabetes without meds?

2005-10-26T09:12:00.000-07:00

Oh my gosh - I feel encouraged! I understand YMMV but it has given me
a great deal of hope and an extra boost of motivation - especially in
the wake of my metformin side effects. Thank you for taking the time
to share your personal experiences with me.

What should be my goal as far as A1c numbers and target range BG - for
fasting and after meals? I feel as if I am on a mission!

> > I wondered if is possible that once I get my numbers under control
> > with food and exercise will I be able to ever go off the
medication or
> > at least reduce it?
> >

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[Diabetes-International] Re:blogger returned email

2005-10-26T09:03:00.000-07:00

If I am correct, this is coming from a blog that someone is using to
post email messages from the group. When you get the message that your
message was not accepted it means that for some reason this persons
email box did not accept your message. I have an idea who it is but
cannot prove it so will not say.
This happens to members of a lot of diabetes groups at one time or another.

I use Gmail, just curious as to why someone wondered about it. I love it*G*

Ruby

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Re: [diabetes_int] Re: Welcome New Member - MaryAnn

2005-10-26T08:04:00.000-07:00

At 09:32 AM 10/26/05, Jo wrote:
>I am unable to find these syrups in my shopping area, so for yogurt, I
>like to use Smucker's Sugar Free Preserves. My faves are raspberry and
>apricot, with 5 grams of carbs per Tablespoon. I use about a half T. in
>my yogurt.

Sugar-free doesn't mean they're not loaded with natural sugar from the
fruit. I suppose a spoonful wouldn't be TOO bad...maybe 6 carbs?

sky

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Re: [diabetes_int] Byetta

2005-10-26T08:02:00.000-07:00

At 09:53 AM 10/26/05, Kathy wrote:

>Thank you for sharing your experiences with this. I am still using
>Byetta. My experiences so far are as follows:
>
>My A1c has dropped from 6.7 down to 6.3 after the first month. I am
>waiting for my next appointment to see the next 4 month results. I have
>not been able to lessen any of my other drugs. I lost 5 lbs when I first
>started taking it <around 4 months ago?> but haven't lost any more weight,
>but I also haven't gained weight either.
>
>I have stopped testing as much as I use to <sometimes once a day now>
>because the Byetta made my numbers kind of erratic <low enough after a
>meal but then high before eating>

wouldn't that be a reason to do MORE testing?

>and my doctor said to not worry about it and just go by my A1c. My A1c
>was good so I just quit worrying about it all

Sure, the highs and lows will average out.

>I will continue to take it as long as my A1c is okay. I really don't know
>what else to do because insulin doesn't seem to do anything

maybe not the right dosage of insulin for the carbs?

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